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That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby syNth » 05 Oct 2011, 01:07

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A new blog update from the official Dota 2 blog for the day of October 5th, 2011!

One thing we’ve received a lot of feedback on is the Dota 2 spectator system. We thought it might be interesting to talk a bit about the thinking that led us to the current system, in the hopes that it might help you understand what we’re trying to do, so that you can help us improve upon it. We think that spectating games, both live and saved replays, is an important part of the Dota experience.

At a high level, we felt there were two important ways that players would be using our spectator system, beyond simply watching games for fun. The first way is that they’d be using it to watch in the interests of improving their skills. The second is that they’d be watching commentated matches in tournaments and leagues. Overall we felt that spectating should be treated as importantly as playing the game, so we started with a WATCH button featured prominently in Dota 2′s main menu.

If you’re looking to watch games to improve yourself, there are a number of filters you can use to find a useful game, such as one with a particular hero or player, one featuring players of specific skill levels, and so on. This is an area we expect to improve upon in the future too: if you want to learn a new hero, we want to make it really easy to find a set of replays that’ll help you quickly get a handle on it. If you’re following a favorite competitive team, or missed a friend’s great match last night, the game will know and lead you to those replays. If you’re an experienced player who wants to expand your skill with a specific hero, or work on your teamwork as part of a specific team of heroes, we want you to be able to easily find replays that’ll let you see high level players using those heroes in matches.

The second main feature we added for players who are watching to learn is the Player Perspective camera mode. In this mode, you select one of the players in the game, and you see the game as if you were at their computer. You see the player’s mouse cursor and input, their camera work, their HUD, their interaction with UI elements, and so on. We wanted you to be able to see exactly how a highly skilled player is playing the game, so you can see ways of improving your own play, and that’s what this camera mode lets you do.

When you’re watching a tournament match, you’re usually watching it at the same time as a large number of other spectators. We wanted to improve the experience of watching live games, and the first problem we identified is that individual spectators don’t have a shared view of the game. This makes it harder to have a conversation with other spectators around what’s happening onscreen, because everyone will be watching from a different position. This problem led us to creating the Directed camera mode, where we were able to leverage our experience with Source TV to build a smart camera that knows what’s about to happen, and tries to make sure it’s in a good position to let you see that action unfold. So in addition to being able to kick back and relax knowing that the camera will always be where the action is, you’re also able to talk about anything happening onscreen because you know that everyone else watching the Directed camera is seeing the same thing you are.

Another goal we had for spectating matches was to have better support for commentators. If you’ve watched any of the matches from The International, you’ve probably already seen that a good commentator can make a match much more exciting to watch, and help beginners understand what’s going on. But previous implementations of commentating systems have had the commentator’s voice stream sit outside the game. This means that it isn’t captured along with the game – and that means that if you weren’t there to watch the live game, you won’t hear the commentary when you watch the replay at a later date. We felt that should be fixed, so we built commentator support fully into the game itself, and bake it into the replay itself. So if you download one of The International matches, you can watch it as if it was a live game, with all the commentator’s camerawork and commentary intact. For matches commentated in multiple languages, you’ll find all the different languages there in the replay too.

If you don’t have Dota 2 yet, and haven’t had a chance at seeing these features for yourself, you’re in luck: there are a ton of players out there streaming the game, so take a look and let us know what you think. A handy site we’ve been using ourselves is StreamDota2.com, which provides a nice set of streams to choose from.


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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Chewy » 05 Oct 2011, 01:20

Wow thats not really helpful news :( Its more like an update about there spectator mode. But, i guess people that are still looking for info about beta this wont help..
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby K0I » 05 Oct 2011, 01:24

Sounds like Valve watch Extra Credits. :shock:

Some interesting stuff there about replay accessibility.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby syNth » 05 Oct 2011, 01:26

Well if there's anything new to take from this, I'm guessing it's the Kunkka banner. Must mean they would add Kunkka this Thursday, who knows? :)
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby ferg » 05 Oct 2011, 01:30

people must be living under a rock if they don't already know all this info T_T give us info about more beta invites icefrog!!!
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby syNth » 05 Oct 2011, 01:40

The whole thing makes Dota clones look like half-assed attempts at making a quick buck. Valve is officially my favorite company.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby CaptainStragedy » 05 Oct 2011, 02:32

This is pretty badass.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Chewy » 05 Oct 2011, 03:30

I wish they would have good news about beta keys. Thats all im worried about right now. If i can find someone to contact for beta keys that would make my day. But, yea i guess its NEWS since its from the Dota 2 Blog.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Smog » 05 Oct 2011, 03:45

There arevparts of this game other than beta... We've been flooded with often false beta news, I only want to hear about the actual game from now on.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Jukeb0x » 05 Oct 2011, 03:47

Mmmmm this is quite tasty indeed. I'm really psyched about the integration of caster tools.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Captain Planet » 05 Oct 2011, 04:24

syNth wrote:The whole thing makes Dota clones look like half-assed attempts at making a quick buck. Valve is officially my favorite company.

Are you seriously telling me they weren't before? *shakes head and walks off*

This news is AWESOME. If it's as good as it sounds, I might end up spending more time watching games than actually playing xD

It will also make watching tournaments a WHOLE LOT EASIER.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Rikoshay » 05 Oct 2011, 06:49

This games just keeps getting more and more epic. This might not be the news we hoped for but this is still great news! I can assume a lot more professional teams on dota 2 then dota 1. A lot more e-Sports events going on thanks to this game.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Dach » 05 Oct 2011, 06:52

The][nquisitoR wrote:This news is AWESOME. If it's as good as it sounds, I might end up spending more time watching games than actually playing xD

I must admit I'm really impressed by what I read. All the features they thought of are so good ! Watch the game from the player's perspective directly, find replay to learn or increase your level.
Well, seems to be the best replay tool I've ever seen on a competitive game in my whole life !

I'm really looking forward to it. And who knows, we can watch replay now by installing the game, etc. If those features are not long to get released, maybe we will have the chance to enjoy it pretty soon (and before being really able to play Dota 2 in fact xD) !

But hum... Valve time wins it.

I'm excited though.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Chewy » 05 Oct 2011, 07:20

So, i heard theres a way to watch replays even if i dont have the beta? Is that true? Because if it is i want to know how.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Darkrash » 05 Oct 2011, 07:29

Chewy wrote:So, i heard theres a way to watch replays even if i dont have the beta? Is that true? Because if it is i want to know how.


I'm not quite sure.
I think there is some sort of a replay watch on the site too :)

But as we all know, we can watch live-stream on http://www.streamdota2.com


EDIT: There is a watch replay, but atm it's only from the international :(
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Dach » 05 Oct 2011, 07:43

Chewy wrote:So, i heard theres a way to watch replays even if i dont have the beta? Is that true? Because if it is i want to know how.

It seems true indeed, I've not tested it myself yet though.

You can check it here or also here.
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Chewy » 05 Oct 2011, 07:53

Yea i just started downloading the MASS FILE!! lol.. But, from the looks of it i think it will work? But, replays is not as fun as playing. :D
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby Streetfarm » 05 Oct 2011, 09:39

K0I wrote:Sounds like Valve watch Extra Credits. :shock:

Some interesting stuff there about replay accessibility.


Man, thank you for showing me that series, watched that episode and got hooked instantly. Thanks!
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby ehergeiz323 » 05 Oct 2011, 09:47

Kunkka teaser! *gasp*
Kunkka's coming soon in my opinion lol
apart from all these replay and spectator news
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Re: That's Worth a Bottle of Rum!

Postby ImH4ppy » 30 Oct 2011, 21:53

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